THE Northern Ireland Prison Service has been slammed for imposing a “shroud of secrecy” over the funeral of serial child killer Robert Black.
Prison chiefs have refused to reveal if the notorious paedophile’s funeral has taken place, if his remains have been removed from Northern Ireland, or provide details of any cost to the public purse.
Black died at Maghaberry Prison more than two weeks ago at the age of 68. He was serving 12 life sentences for the kidnap and murder of four little girls.
Under prison rules the State has a duty to cover the burial costs of every convict who dies behind bars.
Following his death demands were made that his remains not be kept in Northern Ireland, where he abducted and murdered Ballinderry schoolgirl Jennifer Cardy in 1981. Black was expected to be cremated, with his remains discarded outside of the province.
However, the Prison Service in Northern Ireland has repeatedly refused to answer any questions from the Belfast Telegraph relating to the killer’s funeral.
Ukip MLA David McNarry described the authorities’ silence as “outrageous”
“We don’t need to know all the ins and outs of the funeral arrangements, but the public has a right to know if this man’s remains are still in Northern Ireland and what cost there has been to the public purse for his funeral, if it has even taken place,” said Mr McNarry.
“This shroud of secrecy is just treating the public with contempt. The public has a right to know if this child killer, who caused so much pain and suffering, has been laid to rest here.“We need reassurances that he has not. Just tell us the truth and put an end to all of this. The way the Prison Service is carrying on is outrageous.”
Justice committee member Edwin Poots said while he had no interest in funeral details, he would welcome confirmation from the Prison Service that the killer’s remains were no longer here.
“I would be happy to know that his remains are not in Northern Ireland,” the DUP MLA added “After that, the less we know about the whereabouts of Robert Black the better.”Robert Black was a particularly evil individual. He will be getting his true justice as we speak.”
(he keeps using the word REMAINS. As in, parts of his body? Not ashes, or just body? If you jiggle his words around & read what he is NOT sayin.. Could he mean I would be happy to know he does not remain in N.Ireland! He then says “The less we know about the where abouts of RB the better” WHY? He is supposedly dead! Who cares where he is? Hes hardly a threat… Unless…)
Black was jailed in 1994 for the murders of Susan Maxwell (11), from Cornhill-on-Tweed, Northumberland, in 1982; Caroline Hogg (5), from Edinburgh, in 1983, and Sarah Harper (10), from Morley, near Leeds, in 1986.
In 2011 he was also convicted of the murder of Jennifer (9), from Co Antrim, in 1981.
At the same time he was convicted over a failed abduction bid on Teresa Thornhill in Nottingham in 1988 when she was 15.
He was finally caught in 1990 when he tried to abduct a six-year-old girl, who was found gagged and stuffed in a sleeping bag in his van in Stow in the Scottish Borders.
Following his death, detectives said they were days away from charging him with the abduction and murder of Genette Tate (13), who went missing in Devon in 1978 and whose body has never been found.
Black never expressed any remorse and refused to co-operate with police investigating other killings. It recently emerged that he may have murdered up to 16 girls. Belfast Telegraph
“We don’t need to know all the ins and outs of the funeral arrangements, but the public has a right to know if this man’s remains are still in Northern Ireland (If the man remains in NI?) and what Sorry cost there has been to the public purse for his funeral, if it has even taken place,” said Mr McNarry.
“IF IT HAS EVEN TAKEN PLACE?” Is hinting here to authorities that he, Mr McNarry, knows full well no funeral ceremony has taken place and Mr Black could be still in the vicinity of Northern Ireland?
“This shroud of secrecy is just treating the public with contempt. The public has a right to know if this child killer, who caused so much pain and suffering, has been laid to rest here”
(“Laid to rest here” or could he mean… Released here? How could anyone lay ashes to rest anyway? they are scattered NOT laid to rest.)
“We need reassurances that he has not. Just tell us the truth and put an end to all of this. The way the Prison Service is carrying on is outrageous.”
(What would be outrageous about scattering a dead person’s ashes?
We may glean from this that the N. Ireland prison service has released Mr Black to freedom in N. Ireland and a large section of TPTB in the know are upset and kicking up an almighty stink about it?)
Justice committee member Edwin Poots said while he had no interest in funeral details (why not? because he knows said funeral and cremation is all bogus?), he would welcome confirmation from the Prison Service that the killer’s “remains” were no longer here.
(Could he mean remains no longer there? Live and kicking Black should not be left in N. Ireland – otherwise who would bother to kick up a stink about a dead person’s ashes being in N. Ireland? & Remains? As in body? Ashes aren’t god damn remains!
Mr Edwin Poots has served in Northern Ireland Executive for years as Minister of the Environment, in charge of the Department of the Environment and as Minister of Health, Social Services and Public Safety, so we may safely assume he has his finger on the pulse of what has actually become of the supposedly late Mr. Black as well. And he has plenty to say, strange isn’t it? Why bother when Mr Black has supposedly died and been reduced to ashes, to go speaking publicly to the papers about how Mr Black’s “remains” should not be in Northern Ireland?)
“I would be happy to know that his remains are not in Northern Ireland,” the DUP MLA added. “After that, the less we know about the whereabouts of Robert Black the better.”
(Surely a bizarre comment to make about a dead person’s ashes? Who cares a toss about a load of ashes’ “whereabouts”? But Mr Poots is really saying, in other words: to the Prison Service: put the unfortunately still alive Mr Black on the next boat to England and make sure we never see hide nor hair of him again here in N. Ireland!)
“Robert Black was a particularly evil individual. He will be getting his true justice as we speak.”
Clearly these two gentlemen who are family men with children themselves, and who happened to hear of Mr Black’s release from prison which was disguised to the public as his untimely death due to their status as senior NI politicians, did not agree with the release of Mr Black from prison, into the wider community, and this is their coded way of saying to TPTB: GET HIM OUT OF NORTHERN IRELAND NOW!
Cant imagine these gentlemen bothering to go to all this trouble of complaining to the papers and kicking up so much just over a dead cremated killer’s ashes being in Northern Ireland. Can you?
Who on earth cares about the whereabouts of a load of old ashes apart from the dead person’s family anyway?
1 FEB 2016
The murderer was given a secret funeral at British taxpayers expense after he died from a heart attack in jail.
(A Heart Attack? Eh? How do they know that? Did i blink & miss the postmortem?! Or did he have heart attack written on his forehead?)
Secret: Robert Black’s burial place remains a mystery (ahh, he was buried!)
The final resting place of serial child sex killer Robert Black’s ashes has been cloaked in secrecy – sparking outrage from the father of of his suspected first victim. (EH?? thought they buried him? Was he cremated or buried? Make up yer mind!!)
Black was given a secret funeral at British taxpayers expense after he died from a heart attack in jail, aged 68. The monster’s ashes could be scattered in Scotland – where he grew up – or London where he later lived during his killing spree. But prison officials have refused to reveal the location.
Child killer Robert Black’s coffin (are you kidding wi this?)
A. WHY ON EARTH would they show us a coffin? Who knows who it belongs to? It could could just be a random EMPTY coffin
B. Were there Journos there to take the pic? If so, HOW DID THEY KNOW about funeral
C. Why a wooden coffin? Why not a cardboard one? Its not as if any of his family were there. NOBODY WAS THERE So why the expense for a BABY RAPING MURDERER? I woulda stuck him in a fukin binbag!
Cops have linked him with up to 16 child murders during an 18-year trail of terror.
He died as detectives were about to charge him with the murder of Genette Tate,13, who was snatched on her village paper round in Aylesbeare, near Exeter, on August 19 1978. (Well, wasn’t his death convenient?! He couldn’t have picked a better time!)
Genette’s dad John Tate, 73, told the Mirror
“Black was a sexually motivated psychopath – he was horrible and evil, I hate him. And now it appears the State are acting out his demise in secret. I asked the police on Friday about his funeral and where his remains would end up. But they told me they didn’t know because the Irish prison authorities would not tell them. If taxpayers money has been used to pay for his funeral surely we have a right to know where his ashes have been scattered and if there is going to be a headstone and where it will be put. I am sure they are worried people will be so sickened by what he did that any headstone will be damaged or abused. But why aren’t my questions being answered? It does feel like some State cover up. I am not being told the truth which adds insult to injury. When Black died I thought I would like to visit his grave to make sure in my own mind he was dead.”
(The man DESERVES the truth, some closure. Why wouldn’t they tell him?)
Black’s funeral is thought to have been delayed because of the difficulty in finding a local undertaker to handle his remains. (seriously, did they just copy & paste the same words they used wi Myra Hindly?!! & they may have had “difficulty” wi undertakers but apparently THEY HAD NO FUKIN PROBLEM finding a Journo to get a picture o a random wooden box!!)
The killer’s coffin – unadorned by flowers or wreaths – was driven in a black Ford Mondeo to Roselawn Crematorium, Belfast, after it had closed for other services late on Friday afternoon. No relatives, friends or members of the public attended the 6 minute service conducted by prison chaplain the Rev Rodney Cameron and witnessed by funeral parlour staff. He read a short prayer and passage from a psalm but did not mention Black’s heinous past before committing the killer’s body for cremation with the words, “Earth to Earth, Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust.”
The cost of the funeral to taxpayers is set to be at least £3,000 (Fantastic..Told you a binbag was a better idea!)
Rev Cameron said: “There were very few people at the service but I would rather not say anything more.” (why not just say no-one was there? Including Black himself!!! Dude is supposedly dead.. So why would the Rev not say?)
A Northern Ireland Prison Service spokesman said: “The funeral was paid for by the prison service using taxpayers money. It was a very short funeral service with no friends or relatives present. (He should have a word wi the Rev!) We are not at liberty to say what’s going to happen to the ashes. Robert Black didn’t make any specific request before he died and I’m led to believe no family members have made their wishes known. I don’t think we’ve ever had an incidence where this has happened before – it’s very, very unusual. I’m sure they will be scattered somewhere but there will be no disclosures on that. It was left to the prison service to decide and the prison chaplain will be involved in that. I don’t believe the costs of the funeral have yet been submitted.” (£3000 mate! But hell, right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doin eh?)
Cold case detectives were set to charge him with Genette’s murder next month. Cops were also linking Black with the deaths of up to 15 more young girls which would have made him Britain’s worst serial child killer. (Hmmmm, Had to get him out of that eh? GOOD GOD the bastard may have told the truth.. & that would have caused many a sleepless night for some o the “elite”)
I VERY MUCH doubt Black is dead, he has been released alive for sure, these gentlemen would not be saying anything but “Thank God” if he really were dead.
Similarly another killer named Robert “The Wolfman” Howard supposedly “died” in an English prison in October 2015:
Kathleen Arkinson says family angry over constant delays in fresh inquest into schoolgirl’s death
The sister of Arlene Arkinson raged against the police today after the notorious child rapist believed to have killed died without ever being convicted. Kathleen Arkinson has accused the PSNI of stalling inquest proceedings for her younger sibling Arlene Arkinson who vanished in 1994.
In a stinging attack after chief murder suspect Robert Howard died in prison on Friday,
Ms Arkinson said: “I am 100% critical of the police.
“They have held back and held back for 21 years. They have waited so long until he died. I am so angry, we are all angry.”
Arlene Arkinson, 15, from Castlederg, Co Tyrone went missing after a night out at a disco across the Irish border in Co Donegal in August 1994. She was last seen with Howard.
Eleven years later, he was acquitted of her murder but the trial jury was unaware of his history of sex attacks and his conviction for strangling south London teenager Hannah Williams in 2001. Read in full HERE
The child murderers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley had powerful friends.
Ian Brady was befriended by Sir Jimmy Savile.
Myra Hindley was befriended by Lord David Astor, a former editor of the Observer, and by Lord Longford, a former cabinet minister who took a great interest in pornography.
Astor and Longford plotted to get Hindley released from prison.
Some people believe that Hindley has secretly been released from prison, although the official story is that she is dead.
Michael Horgan organised and filmed “satanic-themed orgies” at which children were raped.
Horgan organised satanic torture and child abuse orgies on Saddleworth Moor, where child killers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley had buried their victims.
Horgan’s step-son Michael Roberts says he was only six when he was sexually abused by 29-stone Sir Cyril Smith.
Sir Cyril Smith was a close friend of Sir Jimmy Savile, friend of the Royal Family, the military and Israel.
‘Moors Murderer’ Ian Brady worked as an ‘enforcer’ for top Glasgow crime boss Arthur Thompson.
‘Glasgow godfather’ Thompson reportedly was selling guns to the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force).
He worked for MI5.
“They then told him he could pretty much start the drugs trade in Glasgow.”
Arthur Thompson was an associate of the Kray twins.
The Kray twins reportedly ran a pedophile ring for top people.
Brady and Hindley’s child killings took place in the North of England, near Manchester.
But, Ian Brady “implies he may have … buried bodies at the Campsie Fells near Glasgow.
In his letters, Ian Brady “drops in the names of the Kray twins, Ronnie and Reggie, who terrorised London’s east end in the 1950s and 60s.”
In the 1970s, Lord Longford, friend of Hindley, compiled a self-funded report into pornography. Amazing eh?
Lord Longford invited Sir Jimmy Savile, the Bishop of Leicester and Cliff Richard to join him on a wide-ranging tour of sex industry establishments, including strip clubs in Copenhagen. (*MY EDIT – Gyles Brandreth was also a member of this tour party).
The Longford Report, in 1972, was a best-seller.
It contained a long account of sex and sadism in a boys’ boarding school:
‘Sometimes the prefects did a lot of the whipping; at other times they made the third-year boys do it as well, or the second-year boys whip the first years and the first years whip each other.’
Moors Murderer Myra Hindley, 60, reportedly died in a hospital in 2002.
No family members attended her ‘hasty’ cremation service. (ring any bells?!!)
At the inquest there were no protesters, friends or relatives. (& again!!)
Her medical records were filed under a false name: Christine Charlton.
Her death certificate has never been published. Surprise surprise.
“A primary school nurse was driving through a country lane about six weeks after Myra Hindley was supposedly pronounced dead. It was night time and the nurse’s car was suddenly hit in the back by another vehicle. The woman driver who hit her got out of her car and came to talk to the nurse. The nurse said ‘You are Myra Hindley!!!’ The woman burst into tears and replied ‘you can’t say that, you can’t say that’ and drove off hurriedly. The nurse however, noted the registration number of the car and upon returning home called the police. She recounted what had happened, telling them that it was ‘Myra Hindley’ at the wheel of the other car. The police visited the nurse the following day but rather than assist her with noting an accident, they scared and intimidated her. They asked her to withdraw the accident claim and report, and suggested instead that the incident had ‘never happened’. The primary school nurse was just a normal, law-abiding person and by now she was very scared although still certain of her facts – that even though Myra Hindley was believed by the world to be dead – it had been her driving the car that had hit her. Regardless of her story, the police continued to intimidate the nurse and she was frightened into taking any further action. However, unknown to the police, the nurse had reported the incident to a friend of the family who had in turn passed it on to a school friend who was a local journalist. The journalist took the story to a major tabloid paper who was at first very interested but the following day told his fellow journalist that the story of Hindley being alive ‘had to be buried’. Within a day or so, orders from ‘the top’ were given to publish a story on how the ‘ashes of Myra Hindley had been found.’ That story made all the papers in February 2003 and threw many off the scent. Now, to all intent and purposes, Hindley was proven to be dead because her ashes had been found on the very Moors where children had been killed.
“What is interesting is that the car incident happened six miles away from the residence of the chuckle bros that converted Myra Hindley to Catholicism and who later committed burial rites on her. What is further interesting is the location of a convent very close by. Is Myra Hindley in that convent living a clandestine life away from society?
“Not satisfied with the tale of ashes being discovered and believing the story of the nurse, the journalist called Lord Longford’s son and informed him that the ashes of Myra Hindley had been found. The journalist taped the conversation. The words from Longford’s son echoed in the journalists ears:
” ‘If you believe that you believe anything’ “.
According to Myra Hindley’s diary, she and Ian Brady were regular visitors to the New Elizabethan Ballroom, in Manchester.
They attended at least one of the many sessions hosted by the resident DJ, Jimmy Savile.
“On Boxing Day, 1964, Brady and Hindley made an audio recording as they bound, gagged and photographed Lesley Ann Downey before they killed her.”
Ian Brady became Jimmy Savile’s friend. What a surprise.
Savile was also acquainted with Ronnie Kray and Peter Sutcliffe. Found HERE
The car incident happened only six miles away from the residence of the priest that converted Myra Hindley to Catholicism and who later committed burial rites on her.
What is further interesting is the location of a convent very close by. Is Myra Hindley in that convent living a clandestine life away from society?
Not satisfied with the tale of ashes being discovered and believing the story of the nurse, the journalist called Lord Longford’s son and informed him that the ashes of Myra Hindley had been found. The journalist taped the conversation. The words from Longford’s son echoed in the journalists ears:
“If you believe that, you’ll believe anything”
Other links about Myra’s NON DEATH
Both Howard and Black were thought by police to have committed MANY more crimes than they were convicted of, & to not have acted alone. They seemed to have been acting as part of a larger ring.
A week after child sex killer Robert Black was cremated his victims’ relatives are still none the wiser about his final resting place. They deserve better than a Stormont-sanctioned cloak of secrecy, says Eilis O’Hanlon.
For the past 26 years the families of Robert Black’s victims have uncomplainingly footed the bill for the Scottish serial killer’s upkeep. Through their taxes they paid for the food in his mouth and the clothes on his back; for the bed on which he slept and the blankets that kept him warm.
Not least they paid the wages of prison staff who ensured that he remained safe from harm as he served time on 12 charges of abduction and murder, including that of nine-year-old Jennifer Cardy in Ballinderry in August 1981.
Since no one in the notorious paedophile killer’s own family seemingly wanted his body back following his death at the age of 68 last month, his victims’ relatives even helped, albeit unknowingly at the time, to pay for the Maghaberry prisoner’s cremation at Roselawn, on the outskirts of Belfast, last week. Though, had it not been for a tip-off to the Belfast Telegraph, the ultimate fate of this man suspected of as many as 16 murders might never have been known.
None of that, however, is deemed sufficient to entitle them to an answer to one simple question: what will happen to his ashes now?
Their money was good enough to pay for his well-being in life, but not to know the truth now that he is gone. Black died days before police in England were finally due to charge him with the murder of 13-year-old Genette Tate, who vanished on her paper round in Devon in 1978 and whose body has never been found.
Her 73-year-old father John has asked the Northern Ireland Prison Service (NIPS) what is to be done with Black’s remains. To no avail.
Even the fact that Black was cremated in a secret ceremony at Roselawn last Friday, at a claimed cost to the public purse of £1,000, had to be dragged reluctantly from the Northern Ireland authorities.
“Why aren’t my questions being answered?” wondered John, reasonably enough. “It does feel like some State cover-up.
“I am not being told the truth, which adds insult to injury.”
Ukip MLA David McNarry has added his voice to the growing chorus of criticism over this wall of silence.
He said: “I’ve no idea why the Prison Service has been so keen to protect this serial child killer. Maybe they should give a bit more thought to his victims’ families instead.”
Sounds simple. It ought to be simple.
Decisions should always be taken with the interests of victims’ families in the forefront. Too often that’s not what happens. Instead, victims are an afterthought and their families regarded as a nuisance.
It’s another example of the way in which those who’ve suffered at the hands of evil are forced to fight for every human consideration that ought to be willingly extended to them by right.
John Tate isn’t the first. It took Sara Payne, the mother of eight-year-old Sarah, who was abducted, sexually assaulted and murdered by Roy Whiting in Sussex, England, in 2000, eight years before it was made easier for parents to discover if convicted sex offenders such as Whiting were living nearby. It would be appalling if the families of Black’s victims now faced a similarly prolonged struggle for justice.
It’s understandable, as John Tate himself acknowledges, for prison authorities to be concerned at the possible consequences of revealing sensitive information about figures of justifiable public loathing.
Jimmy Savile’s grave was vandalised after the extent of his crimes against children became known, and the undertakers in Antrim who took on the onerous task of organising Black’s cremation after others refused have already become the innocent target of uncalled for retaliation.
It’s also possible to empathise with the authorities in not knowing what to do. It is, as a spokesman for NIPS noted with considerable understatement, a “tricky problem”.
The way to deal with the problem, though, is not to brush it under the carpet and hope it goes away, but to face it head on in a consistent, measured and – crucially – open manner.
No one wanted Black. His body in those circumstances became simply another property of the State, to be disposed of as deemed fit. It’s still possible to make the right decision, because his ashes remain in storage, but it has to be taken by the right people. NIPS has indicated that the final decision may rest with prison chaplain Rev Rodney Cameron, and that, once a decision has been made, “there will be no disclosures on that”.
It is unfair to expect a chaplain to make such a momentous decision alone, especially when he is constrained in what choices he can make and what he can reveal about them afterwards by secret rules, which he has no part in making or enforcing.
This decision needs to be taken at the proper level. If that means Justice Minister David Ford making a ruling, or Prison Service director general Sue McAllister, so be it.
At least they can be held accountable if their determinations prove controversial.
The final say has to lie with someone on an appropriate pay grade, who can then either tell families where Black’s ashes are, or explain directly why their wishes are being rejected.
Some might call it foolishness to worry about where the ashes of a deceased man are scattered. Dead is dead. Black cannot hurt any more children.
But that is not our call to make. If victims’ families feel strongly about it, those feelings must be respected. They deserve to know the rationale behind decisions that affect them deeply, not least because they have not only paid for Black’s upkeep all these years, but also for the wages of politicians.
The least they can do is step up and take ownership of the issue instead of batting it back to a prison chaplain.
Whatever decision is taken, it should also reflect the feelings of the wider community. The city of Boston made it clear that it did not want the body of Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev interred in the city he attacked. The entire state of Massachussetts eventually declared a similar wish.
Northern Ireland is the resting place of enough monsters without adding the ashes of this malign stranger to the tally.